Outing Extremist Anti-Scientologists

How To Win Friends and Influence People - Do the Opposite of what Hubbard Taught.

2011-01-18T15:20:00.002-05:00

Dear Discerning Reader,

Dale Carnegie wrote an insightful and interesting book many years
ago and it has become a standard.

http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/win-friends.html

This is perhaps the one and only book L. Ron Hubbard, of Scientology
infamy, did NOT plagiarize. This is evident just looking at the
topics covered . . .

Part One

Fundamental Techniques in Handling People

1) Don't criticize, condemn or complain.

2) Give honest and sincere appreciation.

3) Arouse in the other person an eager want.

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Part Two

Six ways to make people like you

1) Become genuinely interested in other people.

2) Smile.

3) Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest
and most important sound in any language.

4) Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.

5) Talk in terms of the other person's interests.

6) Make the other person feel important - and do it sincerely.

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Part Three

Win people to your way of thinking

1) The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.

2) Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say,
"You're wrong."

3) If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.

4) Begin in a friendly way.

5) Get the other person saying "yes, yes" immediately.

6) Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.

7) Let the other person feel that the idea is his or hers.

8) Try honestly to see things from the other person's point
of view.

9) Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.

10) Appeal to the nobler motives.

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Part Four

Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or
Arousing Resentment. A leader's job often includes changing
your people's attitudes and behavior. Some suggestions to
accomplish this:

1) Begin with praise and honest appreciation.

2) Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.

3) Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other
person.

4) Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.

5) Let the other person save face.

6) Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement.
Be "hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise."

7) Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.

8) Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.

9) Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest.

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Take a famous Scientologist like Barbarella Schwartz. Then read
her Blog.

http://barbaraschwarz.wordpress.com/

Now, with any one of the Blog entries firmly in mind do a
rundown of the items listed above and see how Barbarella's
Scientology brainwashing has her doing mostly just the
opposite of the items listed above. Then the next time
ANY Scientologist speaks or writes ask yourself if they
don't ALL sound just like Barbarella. They all sound so
low on the tonescale... like they're scraping the bottom
of the barrel.

Let's more closely examine Part Three and see how
Scientology does just the opposite of the right thing
to do:

Win people to your way of thinking

1) The only way to get the best of an argument is to
    avoid it.

   ***Barbarella's entire Blog exists to start rancorous
   arguments.

2) Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never
    say, "You're wrong."

    ***With the exception of her imaginary husband, Barbarella
    does nothing but belittle others by saying they are wrong and
    dumb and criminal, etc.

3) If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.

    ***Barbarella never ONCE admits she's wrong and she's
    wrong the majority of the time.

4) Begin in a friendly way.

    ***If you discount her constant slobbering over some
    imaginary husband, each and every Blog entry is a mean,
    unfriendly tirade about some perceived enemy or slight.

5) Get the other person saying "yes, yes" immediately.

    ***Barbarella most often gets her miniscule audience of
    readers saying "No, no, no! Nobody can be that delusional."

6) Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.

   ***Barbarella has banned everybody from even commenting
    on her Blog. She's only interested in listening to herself
    rant and rave.

7) Let the other person feel that the idea is his or hers.

    ***Barbarella never gives anybody else credit for anything.
     On the contrary, she tries to take credit for everything
     herself. Her ideas are mostly the rantings of a brainwashed
     Sea Org cadet high on diesel fumes.

8) Try honestly to see things from the other person's point
    of view.

    ***Barbarella is totally incapable of seeing anything from
    somebody else's point of view. The only side Barbarella is
    ever on is her own side. She even regularly attacks those
    of us who try to be on her side to lend a helping hand.

9) Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.

    ***Barbarella always belittles and defames other peoples'
    ideas and desires. She even acts like it's a crime for eligible
    men to be interested in courting her and securing her as
    a helpmate.

10) Appeal to the nobler motives.

    ***The only thing Barbarella appeals to is her sense of
    superiority. She has some nerve calling herself a goddess
    and that waste of space, imaginary husband of hers,
    Marty Rathbun, a god. Barbara's motives are not noble
    at all, but self-serving, elitist and selfish.

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Now, don't get me wrong, this is not a personal attack against
Ms. Schwartz whose myriad faults I think I can correct with
a little firm discipline, patient understanding and loving
kindness. Rather, I am just using a familiar Scientologist as an
example of how Scientology completely and utterly fails to win
friends and influence people.

Barbarella Schwartz is a Satanic Cult Operation

2010-06-28T10:50:00.005-04:00

In her "ILoveMyImaginaryMarty" Blogspot:

http://barbaraschwarz.wordpress.com/

on June 27, 2010 Barbarella typed: (my comments are blue)

"I cleaned parts of my house today because yesterday evening, I was invited to a party. I wasn’t much in the mood for any party but the person who invited me helped my on a couple of occasions in the past and it seemed kind of ungrateful to say that I wouldn’t be coming. He was always helpful and kind to me. But at the party house, it wasn’t my world, not my kind
of cleanliness and sense of order, and a couple of the party guests were smoking, so the first thing that I did when I got home was throwing my clothes in the washer and then jumped in the bathtub and got the smoke smell out of my hair."

HYPOCRITE! Barbarella smoked cigarettes herself up until 1984 and now she looks down her nose at others who smoke? This is arrogance galore and hypocrisy pure.

"Although nobody was drinking, not even beer, which is a good thing. There was a party guest sitting at the bar, mainly eating or just starring at me or on his plate. He was really odd. All others were chatty and introduced themselves to me and were open and told stories and laughed but not this guy. So, I ignored him."

     A real woman of confidence would have taken the initiative and introduced herself to the man. Perhaps he was just shy? I wonder what makes Barbarella so insecure and haughty? Does she think everybody should present themselves prostrate at her robust feet as if she were the Queen of the world?

"After 2 – 3 hours, I said goodbye to the hosts and the other
guests and the weird guy at the bar came running after me.
“Did you find Jesus yet?” he asked me and tried to recruit me
in his Christian church."

     Christians are supposed to spread the Gospel. It's part and parcel of what a real Christian is and does. Is Barbarella so insecure in her false, cultish religion that she has to close her mind to any other possibilities?

"I told him that I have my religion already. He wanted to know
details about my religion but I ignored his question. He gave
me a leaflet about his Christian church but I left him standing
there and just made clear to him that I am not interested."

     Barbarella was ashamed to admit to the man that she belongs to a cultish, false religion - one that causes her to be rude, judgmental, arrogant, self-serving, condescending and has her soul condemned to the Hellfires.

"It is just unbelievable that the weirdest, uncharismatic, non-communicative, boring, and  robotic people on Earth think that they have a chance recruiting me into Christianity. I threw the leaflet in the next dumpster that I saw. The geek knew nothing to say than his contradictory Christian crap. Christians have nothing to offer me. A religion that denies past lives does not contain the most important basics of truth. And most Christians are horrible hypocrites anyway."

     If the weirdest, uncharismatic, non-communicative, boring and robotic people on Earth were recruiting, one would see legions of Scientologists walking the neighborhoods with their propaganda pamphlets. And, if people wouldn't accept a pamphlet the Scientology drones would slap them, punch them, get right in their faces and scream at them, "What are YOUR crimes?!!!" This is how they act in the Sea Org!

     Barbarella is a prime example of the Scientology tenet which states, "Accuse others of being or doing that which you, yourself are or do." She calls a Christian man a hypocrite when he's doing what he's supposed to do - spread the Gospel. It never sinks through her thick skull that she's the real hypocrite because she believes she's a good, fair and decent person while Scientology has brainwashed her into being just the opposite - an opposite that real Scientologists never show in public, by the way, because transparency represents a public embarrassment to Scientology.

Any true Scientologist has learned how to be totally two-faced in public. Barbarella has failed to learn this and thus she was kicked out of Scientology because of her inability to get with the program. Barbarella's actually proud to portray herself in public as a sleazy, arrogant, elitist cultist! Her public portrayal of Scientology is a 'Third Reich Scientology', spit-shined jackboots and all . . .

The late L. Ron Hubbard managed and David Miscavige manages to hide their true natures and Scientology's true agenda when they put on their "public faces".

Thank you all for your patience and understanding and may God Bless You.

--
Gregory Hall

Why L. Ron Hubbard Should Be Despised

2010-04-19T10:26:00.009-04:00

When assessing L. Ron Hubbard catch-phrases, one need not resort to vicious name-calling or mephitic epithets. One need only present the facts. Before I launch into the meat of this post, I want to make a few matters crystal-clear: (1) It rags my crotch that L. Ron Hubbard wanted to crucify us on the cross of phony Science, and (2) as a result of that, he indeed needed to come up with terms that cloud the issue.

Now that you know where I stand and the basic thrust of this erudite post, I can safely say that when you tell L. Ron Hubbard's allies that he and management (the Sea Org) were in cahoots to convert houses of worship into houses of Satan, they begin to get fidgety, their eyes start to bug out, their pimply faces redden, spittle drools from the corners of their mouths, they develop tics of various sorts, and then they start yelling . . .

"What are YOUR CRIMES?"

They really don't care how transparent their methods are, after all, they paid big money for them and are brainwashed into thinking the methods are something special that no "wog" can possibly glean when, in actuality, these methods turned them into just so many, pre-programmed drones humming around the bloated and fetid queen bee, L. Ron Hubbard. They have no interest in hearing that LRH made a living out of the fact that "there's a sucker born every minute."

I call this tactic (substituting dogma for reality) of his, "bait and switch". Bait with religion but switch to a phony psychology the likes of which would have Sigmund Freud spinning in his grave. On the one hand, deny everything psychiatric but, on the other hand, use psychiatry to gain his ends but call it something else. L. Ron Hubbard and his spokesmen have unequivocally raised bait and switch to a fine art by using it to engage in the trafficking of human minds and souls. These human beings are captured by the bait, brainwashed until they become willing drones and then their energy is switched so it works solely for enriching the C of $ coffers while they toil like slaves, 18 hours a day, earning a pittance while being abused and debased.

L. Ron Hubbard claimed he acted in the name of equality and social justice. Of course, claiming so certainly doesn't make it so! LRH wanted to 'clear' the world. Instead, if anything, he managed to "queer" the world with a couple tens of thousands of drones running around acting so very queer (in the conventional sense of the word having nothing to do with sexual orientation). I'd advise against judging his associates too harshly. They're just cannon fodder for LRH's plot to advocate fatalistic acceptance of a perverted and Satanic new world order.

L. Ron Hubbard claimed that diseases could be defeated not through standard medical research but through the creation of a new language, one that does not stigmatize certain groups and behaviors. Hubbard created lots of new words with conjured meanings that suited his brainwashing techniques. Many claim he just had the best interests of humanity in mind. Bah! To be sure, that story is full of more holes than a cheap whore with a piercing fetish, a heroin habit and rife with flesh-eating bacteria.

Although some more politically correct than I am reluctantly concede that by using Orwellian language and selective quotation, LRH was able to palliate and side-step the atrocities of his disguised and delusional grunts, they invariably deny that honor meant nothing to him. I disagree! It's plain L. Ron Hubbard clearly honored money.

Scientology is all about extorting as much money as possible as fast as possible. Money was his primary motive force. He once said, "The fastest way to wealth is starting a religion." Principles meant nothing to him. All he cared about is how best to construct the specter of a world beset with billions of disembodied 'thetans' who take over all living things and perpetrate selfish and evil acts. All people must have these evil mind-controllers under control and Scientology is the only way that can be done - but the price must be large because the consequences of doing nothing are larger. Yah, right! (And this moron has followers to this day? Good grief!)

L. Ron Hubbard relied heavily on "useful idiots", that is, people who unwittingly did LRH's dirty work for him. Without his swarms of useful, Sea Org idiots L. Ron Hubbard would not have been able to conceal the fact that his religion was and is a sham. Yes, I said it! - not only a sham but a TOTAL sham. No one has located the document in which L. Ron Hubbard said this. No one has identified when or where L. Ron Hubbard said this. But, make no mistake, this makes no difference at all. It's fact, nonetheless. Because a sociopath never admits he ever said or did something most likely means he did, indeed, do or say it. For a sociopath, lies = truth.

Why not admit to the true nature of Scientology? Because LRH was a giant egotist and warped psychologically but he wasn't totally stupid. As you might have suspected, whenever L. Ron Hubbard was presented with the true statement that his tech is filled with fabrications, half-truths, innuendo, and guilt by association, he spewed out the hackneyed excuse that superstition is no less credible than proven scientific principles. (The same old sociopathic reasoning that lies = truth.)

Moreover LRH worked diligently at interchanging superstition with science. Ironically, such screwball logic is likely to convince even more people that LRH's activities were a mere cavil, a weatherworn scarecrow, one of the last shifts of a desperate and dying, delusional and diseased, deranged and defeated, old man bereft of any real social value or personal ethics.

Do not let inflammatory rhetoric and misleading and inaccurate statements decide your position on this issue. LRH's outrage at complaints about him was indicative of his egotistical self-esteem and value system. I will now cite the proof of this statement. The proof begins with the observation that L. Ron Hubbard acted as if he were God of the World.

This hauteur is astonishing, staggering, mind-boggling and so loosely based upon reality as to be laughable. Even more laughable is the number of morons who bought it, lock stock and barrel.

I don't want this to sound like sour grapes but I, for one, cannot believe how many actual, physical, breathing, thinking people have fallen for Hubbard's subterfuge. I'm completely stunned! With friends like LRH and his goon squad, who needs enemies?

His adulators avow that ethical responsibility is merely a trammel of earthbound mortals and should not be required of a God like him nor his staff. I say to them, "Prove it!" Of course they will ever remain unable to do so. Why did so many people tolerate LRH's snow jobs as long as they were presented in small, seemingly harmless doses? You know, one small 'tech' step at a time? A little here and a little there that costs thousands and thousands of dollars ($$ - there's the real LRH "church")? The answer is that the tolerance for lies is brainwashed into Scientologist's skulls full of mush from the very first "lesson".

It just so happens I've read a prospectus some of LRH's effete dupes forced into a friend's hands as she walked past an org. The prospectus described LRH's blueprint for a world in which the worst kinds of psychotic saboteurs there are, are free to drag everything that is truly great into the gutter with them. As I dropped the prospectus into an overflowing wastebasket where it belongs, I reflected upon the way, that from the perspective of those inside LRH's crime syndicate, L. Ron Hubbard has the mandate of Heaven to bowdlerize all unfavorable descriptions of his inveracities. His followers are just so many mindless devil-worshippers!

The reality, however, is that only through education can individuals gain the independent tools they need to ward off the blows of adverse circumstance. What L. Ron Hubbard perpetrated is the antithesis of education. It's pure brainwashing. But the first step is to acknowledge that his personal attacks (fair-gaming - the primary C of $ brass knuckles) are a logical absurdity, a series of deductions from a premise that has been denied even by LRH himself.

Speaking of absurdities, LRH's destructive narcissism is no religious belief. It's actually political. It is a fierce and burning gospel of hatred and intolerance, of murder and destruction and the unleashing of a devious and disguised system of control by an arrogant dictator.

Scientology is, in every sense, a disloyal and pagan religion that incites its worshippers to a goose-stepping march in avid denial of freedom, independent thought and independent action and then prompts worshippers to sanctify Hubbard's depravity.

Finally, this has been a good deal of reading, and surely a challenging read at that. Still, I hope you walk away from it with the new knowledge that L. Ron Hubbard hated, with a pure and perfect hatred, all those who challenged him and his Scientology's future where human beings are nothing more than drones to be used, abused and then tossed lightly aside.

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Gregory Hall

Is the Dropout Rate Exceeding the Join Rate?

2010-04-07T20:29:00.009-04:00

Why would anybody do such a foolish thing, join the Church of Scientology in this day and age? It makes no sense - no sense at all.

Back in the good old days when L. Ron Hubbard held sway there was a reason to join - a charismatic leader who had at least a little something to offer. Some 'tech' that had yet to be corrupted and perverted. Some esprit de corps. A vision. Goals that involved improving the human condition.

But, that's all gone now. Miscavige turned it all into a festering pile of crap. Little man with a Hitler complex grabbing everything in sight for himself and himself alone. Lord knows how many millions of dollars the man has squirreled away in some secret vault. How many lives has he ruined? Fortunes stolen? Characters assassinated?

Who in their right mind would want to be associated with such a monster. Such a criminal mastermind? Such a destructive force? Such a soldier of Satan?

I suppose the answer to that is nobody in their right minds. So what does that tell you about the few jokers who DO still join? Not in their right minds? Count on it!

It's gratifying to see so many folks waking up and fleeing. Here is one such person who should be an inspiration to everybody.

Her name is Lise O'Kane. Her story can be found here:

http://www.scientology-cult.com/lise-okane-resigns-from-cos.html

Take some time to read her letter of resignation. The woman has courage and conviction. Assigning treason to DM.

Atta Girl!

Tell Me, Could Barbarella Do Better Than Yours Truly?

2010-03-29T11:56:00.011-04:00

Barbarella said she would do anything if she and the Imaginary Marty could get back together. But, she is being totally unrealistic - hoping, wishing and waiting for something that will never happen.

What a handsome couple we would make. Just feast your eyes on the composite photo! We even look alike. Of course, I look a little younger but that's OK. "Mature" women are just the best.

That's the kind of couple that's needed to wrestle the Church of Scientology away from the present mismanagment. Barbarella could see to it that Scientology Tech is pure Hubbard. I could see to it that Christianity is included. It would be a win-win situation.

Instead of pining away for some imaginary man, she should get real and embrace a loving real man such as yours truly and become his willing helpmate. She just doesn't know what she's missing. She has no idea.

I can fix bicycle flat tires with the best of them. I can do it with my eyes closed or in my sleep, it's so easy. I am a mechanical genius who would not forget to put the brakes back in the right position. I would know how precious the rider and that she should not get in an accident. I don't want a single scratch to mar her natural beauty.

I hate to say it but Barbarella's idea of getting solid rubber tires is dumb. Solid rubber tires are heavy, they have high rolling resistance so they are slow. And, why does Barbarella accept gifts of tools from Baby Bro and she insults me by refusing my offer of a gift of a Kindle!

Out with the old, in with the new. The Imaginary Marty Rathbun has got to GO! He's ruining everything. He's a jailbird, for Pete's sake. A common criminal. Why is it some women fall in love with convicts? But, an imaginary convict??? Can't even write letters to such a person.

Anonymous Seems to be Getting Smarter

2010-03-27T19:21:00.005-04:00

I do believe Anonymous might be growing up. It seems like they've decided to be a little less in-your-face and a little more into the business of spreading information - information that can be found everywhere that casts Scientology in a bad light.

I've never been for in-your-face intimidation and street demonstrators wearing masks because I think such tactics do more harm than good. In today's world with the Internet and sites like YouTube where videos of former Scientologists talking out calmly and sanely against the horrible abuses of Scientology can be used, street demonstrations are probably counterproductive and, more often than not, paint the demonstrators as the bad guys.

Members of any religion - even crank religions like Scientology should be free from harrassment in public and members should not be the specific target of organized protests. Protests should target Scientology management whenever possible. In the United States, at least, freedom of religion means freedom of religion for every religion.

I would like to see some activism group working through the courts and legislature to try to remove Scientology's tax exempt status. This would say very loudly and clearly that Scientology is no religion. This would subject them to being regulated and taxed as the business they are. But, as long as Scientology is considered a church by the powers that be then we need to respect their right to freedom of religion.

But, that doesn't mean all their misconduct should be allowed to continue or be swept under the rug. If the Pope's misdeeds can be exposed then so should David Miscavige's.

Here is a fitting new cross for Scientology. I think Scientology blasphemes the Christian cross because of Hubbard's belittling of Jesus Christ and calling Him names. Scientology is anathema to the cross.

Note the presence of Nazi wings signifying suppression, slavery and death. Attend the serpents which represent poison and Satan. Heed the screw which represents what Scientology does to many members, past and present.

I've been viewing many YouTube, Scientology, exposé videos and now understand some of the evils of Scientology better and learned how well-meaning but gullible folks were recruited and then abused or taken advantage of. Much that Scientology does, as told by these former members, is downright criminal. I wonder why there are not more lawsuits? I wonder how long an ignorant, mean-spirited bully and false man like Miscavige can continue to get away with his abuses. (Some would call them crimes against humanity and human dignity.)

Barbarella Schwartz is Wayward Beyond Redemption! She Prefers Imaginary Men.

2010-03-16T11:28:00.024-04:00

http://angryrepublicanmom.blogspot.com/2005/12/liberal-men-vs-conservative-men.html

Poor Barbarella Schwartz. She's Scientology personified. In liberal fashion, she tries hard to act like a man and therefore she causes herself to lack the ultimate female quality - that of being feminine.

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"For a woman qua woman, the essence of femininity is
hero-worship-the desire to look up to man. "To look up" does not mean dependence, obedience or anything implying inferiority. It means an intense kind of admiration; and admiration is an emotion that can be experienced only by a person of strong character and
independent value-judgments. A "clinging vine" type of woman is not an admirer, but an exploiter of men. Hero-worship is a demanding virtue: a woman has to be worthy of it and of the hero she worships. Intellectually and morally, i.e., as a human being, she has to be his equal; then the object of her worship is specifically his masculinity, not any human virtue she might lack.

"This does not mean that a feminine woman feels or projects
hero-worship for any and every individual man; as human beings,
many of them may, in fact, be her inferiors. Her worship is an
abstract emotion for the metaphysical concept of masculinity as
such-which she experiences fully and concretely only for the man
she loves, but which colors her attitude toward all men. This does
not mean that there is a romantic or sexual intention in her attitude
toward all men; quite the contrary: the higher her view of
masculinity, the more severely demanding her standards.
It means that she never loses the awareness of her own sexual
identity and theirs. It means that a properly feminine
woman does not treat men as if she were their pal, sister,
mother-or leader." -- Ayn Rand

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1) Barbarella has stated that the only relationship she wants with a man is to be like a sister. Yes, it's so. This means Barbarella is NOT properly feminine.

2) "To look up to a man" - this means a REAL man not some
silent poltergeist personified like L. Ron Hubbard not some imaginary man like "the real Marty Rathbun" nor any other LIBERAL man which is synonymous with "girly-man" who is no more real than the enturbulator on my bicycle.

3) She's a clinging-vine type of woman described above when
it comes to her imaginary man. She gushes on and on in her Blog (see sidebar) about how she is a slave to her desires of the flesh with the imaginary MR.

4) Scientology has warped Barbarella's thinking to such an extent
that she's become perfidious, she lacks perspicacity, she has no
understanding of raillery, she doesn't seem to understand what
an arrant religion Scientology is, she's inurbane, she lacks courage
so she flounced off the ARS stage, she's hardly a woman but
rather is a contumacious child as obstreperous as they come.

5) I would gladly take her over my knee and spank some sense into her like Ron or her mother failed to do a long time ago when she was in her formative years lest she become wayward beyond redemption.

But, she's an adult now so look what she needs.

--
Gregory Hall

Babbles and the Babble Rabble

2010-02-24T14:28:00.026-05:00

I'm writing this post purely in the spirit of uplifting and sharing.
As corny and dated as these sentiments may sound in the
fast-moving and ever-evolving modern world in which we live,
it's still no less true. Primarily, I want to share with you my view
that whenever Babbles Schwartz wants to show us a gross abuse
of common sense and intelligence, she merely yanks her own
Scientology-supplied puppet strings and out pops ludicrous
postulate after dumb statement usually of a conspiratorial nature
with the finger pointing at SMEGMAPMS, case officers and ear
implants. The uplifting core of what I will say here is that it would
be great if we could debunk the nonsense spouted by Babbles'
Scientology brainwashed mind but we should not hold our
collective breath. She's so recalcitrant. If we can debunk,
then perhaps we can open people's eyes to a vision of how to
oppose Babbles and the Babble Rabble and all the delusions
they stand for.

The struggle against Scientology sycophants must be a struggle against 'technology'' that is anything but, slavery that indeed is, and corruption that must ever wax or it is doomed to failure. Everybody knows that Babbles' continuous and deliberate misuse of the word
"doppelganger" in an attempt to promote herself as a victim and her subsequent failure to live up to her potential is just a side-stepping cop-out. This is so ludicrous as Babbles often compares herself to God and Jesus, usually on the grounds that she has little or no understanding of a conventional, Christian god but substitutes a false Scientology god for reason.

Babbles maintains that either the Universe belongs to her dubious religion by right or that the best way to reduce opposition is to 'clear' the world. Is she such a drone that she can't understand that 'clearing' is concocting a version of reality that fully contradicts real life. L. Ron Hubbard's 'tech' is blasphemy gone wild. It's a type of insanity engaged in by willing dupes with defective minds. Babbles denies any possibilities other than her Scientology-taught delusions. Quick, somebody show some compassion and send somebody to reprogram her! (just kiddin') She needs to be reprogrammed because all she does entails making unfounded statements and jumping to daffy conclusions. Her posting and blogging history offers innumerable examples of the veracity of this assertion.

Currently, Babbles elevator won't go to the top floor. From the perspective of those inside her so-called church, truth is whatever LRH's 'tech' says it is. The reality, however, is that Babbles is confused and highly disoriented, when it comes to truth. She and
other Scientologists put forth the STUPID postulate that truth is defined as YOUR truth. In other words, say a lie enough times and it becomes your truth. How absurd! This one example, alone, is the main reason why Babbles' Blogs and postings are so
laughable. I have to laugh because bastardizing the meaning of the word truth just so people can be easily manipulated is so Orwellian. But, brainwashed Scientology members can't even see that they are brainwashed.

How can Babbles call herself sane when she operates under insane rules and word definitions? I can no longer get very excited about any revelation of Babbles' hypocrisy or crookedness. It's what I've come to expect by now from all Scientologists. They just can't help themselves.

I'm no psychiatrist. Still, from the little I know about psychiatry,
I can say that Babbles seems to exhibit many of the symptoms of
the Capgras delusion. I contend that Scientology 'tech' is the
primary cause. It creates paranoia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capgras_delusion

I don't say this to judge but merely to put Babbles' depraved histrionics into perspective. In a previous posting, I announced my intention to see that she sticks to her promise to not post to ARS any more as long as I am posting here. She's already broken that promise at least once using her Google account and I'm confident she is the author of many a disparaging anonymous remailer posting about yours truly. So, she's a proven liar. (But, isn't that the case for ALL Scientologists?)

Naturally, this announcement will cause Babbles to plaster
libelous abuses about me on her blog as she has done repeatedly
in the past. Incidents like this truly demonstrate how all she
really wants is to torment me and reject me thinking it will make
me go nuts because she'd rather have an imaginary marriage
with an imaginary man (who looks like a pencil-necked geek)
than do the right and smart thing and become worthwhile as a
helpmate. She's a cruel and relentless dominatrix.

More often than not, Babbles is good at stirring her intimates into a frenzied lunacy of hatred and vengeance. That's the game she's playing with me. She would like nothing better than have me arrested and tossed into prison where daily torture was the norm. I think this is what happened to the original Marty Rathbun. Babbles got him arrested and imprisoned and she's built herself the perfect alibi by claiming she's married to him and loves him forever and all that jazz!

In actuality, a real man, for Babbles, is a mere optional extra and if that man won't cower and shake in fear at her feet like a whipped dog she'll have none of it.

--
Gregory Hall

Where the Anti-Scientology Women Go Astray

2009-10-04T18:18:00.007-04:00

Today's woman is so immoral because she has fallen away from Christian ethics and morals.

Our own Dalin (alt.fiftyplus) is a good example of whom I speak. She fancies herself a Christian but she puts herself and her sisters on an even playing field with Jesus Christ. She claims Jesus, when He walked this Earth, saw and treated women as equals when nothing could be further from the truth. It is plain that Satan is speaking through Dalin's mouth when she makes such absurd claims.

But, Dalin and her ilk are hardly in much of a position to even know what morality and ethics are because of how Western society has brainwashed them. Here is a morality line with Christian morality and ethics on the left (represented by J for Jesus) and outright Satanism on the right represented by S for Satan

|J|___________________________________!_____|S|

The exclamation point represents the current state
of Christianity in the United States. Too many
so-called Christians are making up their own rules
on the fly, ignoring the teachings of God as spelled
out in the Bible and generally taking a 'pick and choose'
outlook on the tenets of Christianity. Cafeteria
Christianity, as it is sometimes called.

Among the more important tenets of Christianity is the
fact, yes I said FACT, that women and men were not
created as equals according to the word of God. Nay,
women were created as an afterthought, a helpmate to Adam
who was created first and foremost and in God's image.

NEVER in the Bible is this basic tenet refuted or changed. Not in the Old Testament (sometimes referred to as "the Law")and not in the New Testament. It is what it is in the Book of Genesis. Women who call themselves Christians need to stop trying to rewrite the Bible to suit their American feminist agenda. It's arrogant, dysfunctional, perverted, counterproductive and sinful.

Now, I realize, full well, that this sounds VERY radical
to most people but look at the morality line above once
again. Consider the fact that the point of reference here
in the USA is the exclamation point way over on the Satan
side of morality and you might get some idea why my
traditional morality sounds so extreme to you. Well,
my traditional morality is NOT extreme in any way. It is
the word of God as my reference point, the Bible, is the
word of God.

Most liberated women are nothing more than Satan's little helpers and, as a Christian, it is my duty to oppose such soul and society destroying behavior.

--
Gregory Hall

Those Who Live in Glass Houses . . .

2009-07-01T17:15:00.008-04:00

Where, oh where, should I begin telling you about how uncouth Shirley and Kat are? How about this: Shirley and Kat are a couple of inchoately ridiculous femiNazis who quote the Bible but never read it, much less understand it, nor are they Christians. Both are too anti-religion-in-general to commit to a religion. Both also act as if they are morally superior by virtue (more like lack thereof) of the fact that their 'feelings' trump their logic. When discussing Shirley and Kat I think of one word (excrement) in place of another word (censored) which is now apparently permitted in Usenet posts but which I often edit out as profanity is as unnecessary and offensive as the two women this post addresses.

At the core of Shirley and Kat's anti-Scientology diatribes is
insecurity. These are two very insecure women. They absolutely
hate the fact that Babbles Schwartz is as secure as they are
insecure. Opposite ends of the spectrum and this disturbs them
because it makes them wonder why can't they also be happy
and secure. As you can see, dear reader, Shirley and Kat
really shouldn't criticize somebody just because they don't have
what somebody else has. It's so very immature. Shirley and Kat
are supposed to be grown-ups so why don't they try acting
like grown-ups instead of being green with envy because some
other woman has what they never will have - security in her life,
satisfaction in her religion, purpose in her goals, ethics in her
methods and integrity in her actions.

These are principles that have shaped our society and remain
at the core of our freedom and liberty. That's just plain common
sense. Why do Shirley and Kat lack even rudimentary common
sense? Probably because they were indoctrinated in the liberal,
government-run, public education system. Contrast them with
Babbles who is largely self-educated. Heck, it's plain that
Babbles is more learned than the both of them put together.

Shirley and Kat want to sanctify depravity. They openly
support Halloween mask-wearing cowards interfering with the
religious freedom of others. They feel right at home in ARS where
they are in good company - for the most part a warren of hate
mongering societal rejects many of whom have criminal records.
They feel oh so brave trying to gang up on a lady who doesn't
happen to share their corrupt ways and means. On the one hand
they demand they be treated as equals to any man but, on the other
hand, they openly state that Babbles is some kind of a second or
third rate entity. They drip with hypocrisy. It's sickening.
Their "superiority" is just a case of an overactive imagination.

Regular readers of my posts probably take it for granted that my logic is impeccable because none of the anti-Scientology hate mongers have been able to refute me in honest debate. So, take my word that Shirley and Kat are partners in crime and their stand against religious freedom lacks all decency. It also lacks the specifics of courage, truthfulness, courtesy, honesty, diligence, equal treatment, loyalty and originality. From this proven evidence brought to light in their postings I would argue that Shirley and Kat's secret passion is to evoke a hateful response to the heartfelt and genuine beliefs of one of their sisters .

For shame! You can see how badly they treat 'one of their own' so is it any wonder it's the rare man who finds them other than tiresome? I might not always have good things to say about the opposite gender but you will never hear me disparage another man as long as he acts like a man. In the same way, I have little bad to say about women who act like women. However, women who try to act like spoiled boy children, and Kat and Shirley are among these, I find tedious and in need of a lengthy timeout standing face-in in some dark corner.

To summarize consider the fact that Shirley and Kat don't represent an ideology. They don't represent a legitimate religious group of people. They DO represent a tautology - femiNazis repeated over and over again. They're just flat adversarial because they are contrary to their own gender.

Let's pray they repent of their evil ways.

--
Gregory Hall

Honest Abe thinks I'm a Scientologist

2009-05-06T20:38:00.002-04:00

"Honest Abe" wrote in message
news:Q%0Ml.199048$4m1.43929@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

Greg, you have claimed to be a Christian, and I have
pointed out to you that in L. Ron Hubbard's teachings
on "OT3" he completely invalidates Jesus Christ and
Christianity. You have obviously ignored this fact, and
you go on supporting Hubbard and his teachings, thereby
supporting his anti-Christian teachings. You claim
regarding me and the others you listed that: "They only
wish to smear and defame - - with their lies and
defamation." Yet you do not think Scientology's
anti-Christian teachings are lies and defamation?

I replied:

Sorry, but I tend to disbelieve any so-called evidence
you anti-Scientology extremists cite in your posts.
With Babbles Schwartz's help pointing out the truth
it seems like what you folks cite is either lies or taken
out of context. I have not seen any text from the CoS
that says it's against Scientology to believe in Christ.
Any text published by extremist hate groups is suspect.

Honest Abe wrote:

I can only conclude that you are not what you
claimed you are, a Christian, but that you are a
Scientologist assigned to post pro-scientology
information to this newsgroup and to smear and
defame all that disagree. Consider your cover blown!

I replied to this nonsense:

You are free to believe what you will. And I tend to
shy away from discussing Christianity here in ARS
because it's not really on topic in and of itself. Only
Christianity's relationship to Scientology is on topic,
IMO. I have found that one of the fastest way to get
non-Christians to close their minds is to preach at them
all the time.

Rather than jump to conclusions about my being a
Scientologist defending Scientology, why not look at it
objectively. I am a Christian pointing out how one side
hates and defames the other side who practices its religion
as it sees fit.

If you haters can work to destroy a particular religion you
will not stop should you succeed. You will continue on to
the next religion you label a cult. You will not stop because
you have as your true agenda the destruction of all religions.
You are atheists and agnostics and some of you, I would
guess, are devil worshipers.

This is why I side with Scientology. I work against those
who would try to get a toe hold whereby they can attempt
to destroy all religious freedom, mine included.

Honest Abe wrote:

I am not against, in fact I support, any and all practices
that can and do better mankind - especially psychologically,
as when it comes to matters of the mind we are still pretty
much in the dark ages. I got into Scientology and similar
practices for that reason - enlightenment and evolution.

I became highly disillusioned with Scientology - far more
so than any other of the several deceptive and even
destructive cults I encountered along my path. I hope you
wake up before they make you penniless, brainwashed,
and a virtual slave to their autocratic organization. I got
out in time to salvage my life, and all should. Take what
gains you can, and then free yourself! And in your future
quests for truth, I'd advise you to look to science, and
avoid all "religion" like the plague.

I replied:

Disillusionment is something many people face. But, most
people don't turn their disillusionment into works of hate.
You and others should not see being disillusioned as a
failure of the system but as a personal choice. It is but
a choice you have made for yourself because you did not
appreciate what you learned about something. In other
words your expectations were dashed. If it was a correct
choice then be happy with it. That you continue trying to
justify it by lashing out and hating that which you decided
to be disillusioned with is not a mature course of action.
It smacks of hypocrisy. It's not anybody's or any
organization's fault your choice is what is is.

And, don't worry about me. I haven't given one thin dime
to Scientology. I'm even going to check out books from the
library so they aren't even selling me a book.

--
Gregory Hall

Outing the "Anonymous" Extremists.

2009-04-30T13:15:00.000-04:00

I could be risking life and limb writing this but let me make
it abundantly clear that "Anonymous" extremists form a hate
speech organization devoted to the harassment and defamation
of the Church of Scientology. I shall begin this post by citing a
few examples from the public sphere. For starters, most of the
Anonymous extremists' ploys are seriously flawed, frequently
fail to meet minimal standards of intelligence, logic, decency,
acceptable public behavior and, on balance, are clumsy, rude,
obnoxious, childish and sociopathic. This can be seen by the way
they "demonstrate" wearing Halloween masks to intimidate
C o S members and to hide their criminal records being
associated with their faces most of which are easily recognized
on police department arrest record files all over the country as
well as at the FBI.

Gregory, are you crazy? Aren't you aware of how the
Anonymous extremists will react when they read what you
say about them? Yes, of course I am aware of how this slime
operates. Do I care? Hell no! because there's little chance these
known cowards will be able to do anything about it other than
whine and snivel. There's not a one of them that can even pen
a coherent paragraph in their own defense and they sure can't
put on their Halloween masks and picket my posting to Usenet.

It's an educated guess because I can't say I've read much of
their garbage (who could stomach it, anyway?) but it's already
become clear to me that most of the things the Anonymous
extremists have written would be considered merely
"mind-numbingly illiterate, parochial, religious hate speech."
I'll go further, the Anonymous extremists are only accomplished
at the utilization of questionable and illegal demonstrating
techniques. Their faceless, "in your face" tactics are so
hypocritical and disgusting. And their numbers? Ha ha, what
a joke. They are loathe to admit it but they are so few.
And their hate speech, amateur, little websites are an even
bigger joke.

Most people would only trust these Anonymous extremists
about as far as they could throw them and this is because the
Anonymous extremists are ignorant of some obvious facts,
most notably:

1) Anonymous extremist's rhetoric has gotten way out of
hand.

2) Anonymous extremist's facts are not facts but often
repeated lies, libel and defamation.

3) Anonymous extremists often use the phrase, "Studies or
surveys show that...", to introduce statements that wind up
being chiefly about various ways and means to defame
Scientology.

4) What the Anonymous extremists seem to be forgetting
is that they set too much store by ruffianism that is
fundamentally, pervasively, and inescapably the way
of the bully.

For the good of us all, we should never take these bullies
too seriously nor should we overreact to their pitiful little
demonstrations which make it perfectly clear to the general
public that "here are some deranged and truly sick
individuals." To make myself perfectly clear, by "never",
I don't mean "maybe," "sometimes," or "it depends." I mean
only that we must always report, as best we can, the facts
and circumstances surrounding any Anonymous extremist's
cretin outbursts.

If we fail in this, we're not failing someone else nor are we
disrupting some interest separate from ourselves. Rather, it is
we who suffer when we neglect to make it clear that all
Anonymous extremists try to reverse the normal process
of interpretation. Theirs is an orchestrated charade. That
is, they value the unsaid over the said, the obscure over the
clear. They think their masks make it appear that Scientology
is out to get them so they can't show their pimply faces.
Actually, it's the other way around. They can't show their
pimply faces because then every law enforcement officer
with a wanted poster in mind will be out to cuff them and
stuff them.

Due to the proliferation of information in this day and age,
when a mistake is made the smart thing to do is to admit it
and reverse course. This takes real courage. The way that
Anonymous extremists stubbornly refuse to own up to
their mistakes and change course serves only to convince
me that no one has a higher opinion of them than they do
themselves. They really think their sh*t doesn't stink.
My oh my, can anybody get more delusional than that?

This posting should be regarded as the beginning, not the
end, of my campaign against this Anonymous extremist
rabble. And those creep, Xenu lowlifes are on my list, too.
Please don't anybody ever believe what the Anonymous
extremists want you to believe - that the cure for evil is more
evil. On the one hand they pretend to label the Church of
Scientology as evil so why don't they decry the evil they
perpetrate in their so-called peaceful demonstrations where
they threaten, browbeat and bully? The only clear answer to
emerge from the conflicting, contradictory stances that
Anonymous and its provocateurs take is that threats and
intimidation are a crutch for the depravity of which these
hell-bound Satanists are capable and delight in carrying out.

Although there are no formal, internal, validating criteria for
the Anonymous extremists' callous actions, they seem to be
pretty much on the same page. This indicates to me that
sociopathic losers all pretty much think and act the same way
individually and in groups. Their mental illness is readily
evident even to the most impartial observer. Why else do
these morons all seem to believe rubbish like, "Those who
disagree with Anonymous extremists should be castigated,
harassed, threatened, impugned, defamed, libeled, slandered,
mocked, cast into the outer darkness, should be shunned,
should starve and should DIE!!!"

What they don't expect you to see, though, is that the
abhorrent things you see going on in their demonstrations are
symptoms of the Anonymous extremists' insincere, deranged
agenda. I say insincere because all they really wish to do is hate.
They don't really care who they hate as long as they can hate
somebody or something. If the Church of Scientology should all
of a sudden cease to exist they would not waste a single minute
reorganizing to settle on the next target of their hatred. They
are not a cause; they are an effect. Hate is what hated does.
They are hate personified. When I say that the Anonymous
extremists have rightly earned the scorn and derision with
which they are viewed in many quarters, this does not, I repeat,
does not mean that they should be taken lightly. They are still
capable of a certain amount of damage in a small, mean,
sub-human way.

Anonymous extremists don't want equal time. Anonymous
extremists want all of the time. Anonymous extremists
just want to poke and pry into every facet of Scientologist's lives.
In a sense, almost every day, Anonymous extremists overreach
themselves in setting new records for arrogance, deceit,
slimyness and shameful, antisocial behavior. All I ask is that
normal people see it for what it is - mental illness untreated
and run amok.

--
Gregory Hall

Anti-Scientology, a Criminal Racket

2009-04-26T15:05:00.000-04:00

wrote in message
news:3aea6c1b-b1a6-4fd4-a813-82dabe3f8131@w31g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

>
> This ruse will continue as long as gutless reporters like KESQ-TV's
> Nathan Baca fail to wrap their minds around the fact that Anti-
> Scientology Activism is a criminal racket. Pathetically, these
> underpaid, self-serving so-called journalists opt for sensationalism
> over substance, taking everything the "critics" say as truth. Lies
> beget more lies and the deception continues....

I like that objective statement, ". . . Anti-Scientology Activism is a
criminal racket."

I like it because it's such an obviously true statement. The anti's
lie, lie and then lie some more. They claim to be concerned about
the plight of individual Scientologists they see as imprisoned or
enslaved. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The couldn't
care less about individual Scientologists. As a matter of fact they
care so little about them that they use them as unwilling and
unwitting pawns to further their atheistic hate mongering against
all organized religions.

There is nobody or nothing they will not use and abuse to further
their agenda of religious persecution. Here in this group they have
already used an innocent 3-year-old girl calling her autistic and
attempting to say Scientology caused it. People who claim to care
about individual Scientologists sure wouldn't use their hate speech
upon a little girl who has parents who are Scientologists, would they?

The anti-Scientologist rabble are simply concentrating on
Scientology at the moment because they think if they can take
down this one religion then they can take them all down, one at a
time. Should they succeed with Scientology (chances of that are
slim and none, btw) then who will be the next target of their
criminal racketeering? The Church of the Latter Day Saints?

These sociopathic anti's need to be exposed at every opportunity.
They need to have their lies rebuked. The gutless wonders who
hide behind Halloween masks while demonstrating need to be
given some trick or treat candy and then be required to move
along. Loitering of trick or treaters not allowed.

--
Gregory Hall
4-20-2009

Some Wash Out

2009-04-26T13:31:00.000-04:00

"Ball of Fluff" <getoffmyass@fluffentology.com> wrote in message news:-8adnekqhI2x9m3UnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@posted.internetamerica...

> Sure. To me, the biggest problem is the way the cult treats members and
> also the fair game ops, and so on. But the cult never wants to take ANY
> responsibility.
> Anyone who really reads the posts and webpages written by ex members who
> are telling their stories of what happened to them and is really open to
> them would be struck by the similarities- these things are obviously true,
> repetitive and abusive. Plus, any long time Scn'ist should be able to
> recognize some names eventually and be able to maybe verify some of the
> information being related by exes. So if after all that, someone didn't
> believe all that, they'd either have to truly have their heads in the sand
> or be an OSA staff member or something of the sort where they're one of
> the ones dedicated to perpetrating such abuses.
> Very sad.

What's very sad to any unbiased, intelligent onlooker is the following: It always takes two to tango.

The small, vocal group of whining, crying ex-Scientologists, almost to the individual, has a bone to pick with Scientology mostly because they're ashamed they didn't have what it takes to stay the course. So they weren't Scientology qualified? They weren't the first and they won't be the last. Not everybody has what it takes.

You washouts should live with that fact and accept it and stop your insufferable complaining. It's all a pretense just to keep you from having to admit you couldn't cut the mustard. Instead of accepting that you failed and moving on with your lives in a positive, constructive manner by pursuing something more suited to your menial mentality and at which you can succeed, you failures who whine and complain choose to adopt a negative, immature, destructive stance and many of you have turned into extremist hate mongers who, because of your obvious sociopathy, have your own page on Religious Freedom Watch:

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/

To me and other thinkers, the valid conclusion to draw is the Church of Scientology was correct and looking after its own interests when telling you unqualified individuals to hit the road. Scientologists certainly don't need suppressives and subversives in their ranks and it would be counter productive to retain such as these.

The fact that you now actively work against the church and are incapable of seeing your own failure indicates to me that you would have done the very same thing inside the church. You would have been a dangerous liability. A leopard cannot change its spots
even with advanced Scientology methods unless it truly wants to do so. Some diseased minds are so far gone they cannot be cured even with Dianetics. When there's nothing there to work with failure is inevitable.

Actually, I see it as a positive that the church drums out such defective thetans. If I were a high-ranking Sea Org OT aboard the "Freewinds" I would make such unqualifieds walk the plank in a formal ceremony. But, I would show them some mercy and do it while anchored close to shore so they'd be able to swim to shore and not have their lives put at risk. That swim to shore would do them good. It would be a chance for them to reflect upon the fact that they didn't have what it takes to be a part of an elite organization. This would also hold true for the mustered crew. They would use the opportunity to be thankful while reflecting upon their good standing in the church.

--
Gregory Hall

Extremist Bias in Action

2009-04-24T11:41:00.000-04:00

The following posting to alt.religion.scientology by Roger Gonnet was rebuffed with ease by yours truly:

"xenufrance" <xenufrance@free.fr> wrote in message news:49f0131b$0$21825$426a74cc@news.free.fr...

> These pêople or pseudo owners are primarily victim of their cult, as I've
> been long ago , and they are just helping it to commit its frauds like I
> did ... 25 years ago.
>
> Since now, these "people" (rondroid or not) are perfectly aware of the
> cult's crimes we are exposing here, they have NO EXCUSE for their own
> criminality doing so.
>
> When helping Hubbard and C°, I was at least unconscious of the convictions
> of the cult and its chief, and of the complaints against it.
> But THESE are aware of what we expose here, so, they are accomplices of
> the criminal leading that cult, and will deserve to be jailed later.

What you expose here? Oh, please! You expose your ignorance, bigotry and hatred of things you don't understand. That's about the sum total of what you expose here, Monsieur Gonnet.

Why don't you open your eyes and get a clue, Roger Gonnet? The only crimes and evidence of crimes posted here are what is called 'anecdotal evidence.' Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything. Why, because in any large group of people there are always going to be a few bad apples who commit crimes. Until and unless you can prove *statistically* that the Church of Scientology has a greater percentage of crime than other church groups you prove nothing with posting random acts of crime or alleged crime. Much of what you and the other anti's post is exaggerated, biased or outright lies anyway.

In a post elsewhere I proved statistically from a list of alleged Scientology criminals that the Church of Scientology has a crime rate approximately 50,000 times less than that of the general population. So much for your lame examples of anecdotal evidence, Roger!

When posting this sparse anecdotal evidence you and the other anti's do prove one thing, however. You prove that you extremist, anti-Scientology hate mongers think the general public is rather stupid. You would have to think that if you actually expect your biased anecdotal evidence is going to have any effect other than the general public thinking, "Oh gee, there goes yet another fanatic anti-Scientologist loon. Why doesn't he get a life already." Why don't they stop being nattering nabobs of negativity and do something positive for a change?

And such hypocrites they all are. Just look at all of them and their criminal or near criminal deeds here: http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/

Scroll down and click on Roger Gonnet's photo and see how he is such a fine, upstanding fellow. (gag!)

--
Gregory Hall

Conflict Explained

2009-04-22T18:18:00.000-04:00

"WHILE IT IS COMMONLY BELIEVED TO TAKE TWO TO MAKE A FIGHT, A THIRD PARTY MUST EXIST AND MUST DEVELOP IT FOR ACTUAL CONFLICT TO OCCUR." -- L. Ron Hubbard"

Farmer J and Rancher K have been tearing each other to pieces for years in continual conflict. There are obvious, logical reasons for the fight. Yet it continues and does not resolve. A close search finds Banker L who, due to their losses in the fighting, is able to loan each side money, while keeping the quarrel going, and who will get their lands completely if both lose." -- L. Ron. Hubbard

These quotes are from this web page. Everybody should read it.

http://www.scientology.org/humanrights/publications/pdf/warbklt.pdf

The above quotes describe what is going on in alt.religion.scientology. Allow me to paraphrase the second paragraph and you will understand why.

"Anti-Scientologists and Scientologists have been tearing each other to pieces for years in continual conflict in alt.religion.scientology. There are obvious, logical reasons for the fight. Yet it continues and does not resolve. A close search finds Marxist state promoters who, due to the losses to both sides in the fighting, are able to profit from the quarrel, while keeping the quarrel going, and who will get religion seen in a bad light and anti-religion seen in the same bad light.

The solution? Eliminate religion and the fighting stops as anti-religion has no antagonist. A Marxist state needs to eliminate religion."

As you can see, L. Ron Hubbard had it pretty well figured out. I would speculate that many of the anti-Scientologists are disguised Marxists who have seized upon a nefarious method to chip away at Scientology - nay, ALL religions by engaging in a battle with a church they have demonized and call a cult. Should they succeed in wiping out Scientology they will not stop there. They will then chose another victim and continue until all religious freedom is eliminated. Then the Marxist state will be secured. And people enslaved.

--
Gregory Hall
4-6-2009

Anecdotal Evidence

2009-04-22T16:56:00.000-04:00

I can't help but notice there is a lot of anecdotal evidence against the Church of Scientology being thrown around here (newsgroup alt.religion.scientology). Some anti-Scientologist will dredge up this alleged horror story or that alleged abuse and then try to paint the whole of Scientology with a broad black brush.

C'mon! You anti's are going to have to do better than that. I just posted a rebuttal elsewhere where somebody posted a list of Scientology members who were arrested for various crimes and I used that list to demonstrate how it showed Scientology in a good light as the Scientology crime rate was around 50,000 times less than the general population crime rate.

Anecdotal evidence is less than effective in trying to show Scientology in a bad light. Every large group of people is going to have problems no matter the religious orientation of the group. Unless you anti-Scientologists can up the ante by around 50,000 times you only demonstrate by your evidence that Scientology has relatively few problems and should be praised for a job well done rather than defamed.

Think about it. Your methods are bankrupt and hurt your cause way more than they harm Scientology.

While some of you talk about the ineptitude and criminality of Scientology management you ignore the pathetic examples of humanity who are your spokespersons - your management, so to speak. Sure Scientology has a bad apple in the ranks from time to time who must be dealt with but it is a tiny fraction of the almost 100% of the demonstrably scurrilous and criminal records of the people at the helm of the anti-Scientology ship.

So, here's some advice for you:

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

-- Matthew 7 : 1-5 American Standard Version

Apply it to your own lives, please. Peace!

--
Gregory Hall
4-5-2009

Anti-Scientologists Explained

2009-04-22T16:47:00.000-04:00

Dear a.r.s subscriber,

The question needs to be asked and answered why the "anti" in "anti-Scientologists?"

It's quite simple really and will take but a few short paragraphs to explain the whys and the wherefores. So, let's get right to it, shall we?

Here in this news group, (alt.religion.scientology) at least, I've observed anti-Scientology equals denial of the "self." The anti-Scientology stance is an outgrowth of an uninformed, destructive reaction rather than a positive, constructive action. From reading the posts of the more strident and obsessed anti's I have concluded that the following applies to them:

1) they couldn't meet the standards to become a Scientologist for various reasons,

2) they are former members who washed out but with no malice, (met basic standards but failed to progress)

3) they are SP's with malice who were discovered and shown the door (failures at their mission),

4) they didn't have what it takes to stay the course most likely because they lack the most basic of interpersonal relationship skills as demonstrated by their pathological writings here,

5) their egos are out of control.

So, rather than accept personal failure these individuals resort to scapegoating. That which they aspired to becomes their enemy and the focal point of their malice as a means of denial of their shortcomings so they:

1) lash out at their perceived tormentors saying Scientologists are the defective ones, (PKB)

2) go on a vendetta against Scientology rather than go on a person quest of much needed self-improvement, (immature and spiteful reaction)

3) become obsessed, paranoid, mean-spirited with a further buttressing of their self-denial (irrational)

4) thus strengthening their negativity and hate.

Summary: A sociopathic personality develops which personality adopts irrational denial and hatred as its mainstays. You anti's are a miserable lot because you work against yourselves instead of for them.

"Happiness could be said to be the overcoming of not unknowableobstacles toward a known and desirable goal." -- L. Ron Hubbard

-- Gregory Hall
4-4-2009

The Creed of the Church of Scientology

2009-04-22T13:07:00.000-04:00

Below is the Creed of the Church of Scientology from website:

http://www.scientology.org/world/worldeng/corp/creed.htm

We of the Church believe:

That all men of whatever race, color, or creed were created with equal rights;

That all men have inalienable rights to their own religious practices and their performance;

That all men have inalienable rights to their own lives;

That all men have inalienable rights to their sanity;

That all men have inalienable rights to their own defense;

That all men have inalienable rights to conceive, choose, assist or support their own organizations, churches and governments;

That all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others;

That all men have inalienable rights to the creation of their own kind;

That the souls of men have the rights of men;

That the study of the mind and the healing of mentally caused ills should not be alienated from religion or condoned in non-religious fields;

And that no agency less than God has the power to suspend or set aside these rights, overtly or covertly.

And we of the Church believe:

That man is basically good;

That he is seeking to survive;

That his survival depends upon himself and upon his fellows and his attainment of brotherhood with the universe.

And we of the Church believe that the laws of God forbid man:

To destroy his own kind;

To destroy the sanity of another;

To destroy or enslave another's soul;

To destroy or reduce the survival of one's companions or one's group.

And we of the Church believe that the spirit can be saved and that the spirit alone may save or heal the body.

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Now, who can find fault with any of this?

It all sounds very positive and uplifting to me.

--
Gregory Hall
4-6-2009 (posted to alt.religion.scientology)

Dismayed by Anti-Scientologists

2009-04-22T12:28:00.001-04:00

Dear alt.religion.scientology, (Usenet newsgroup)

I'm posting this to express my dismay and concern over the anti-Scientologists' hate-mongering postings. Many people are probably convinced that anti-Scientologists are guided by the backwards facing ethos of dark ages neopaganism. I say that is not entirely correct in that I maintain they are also guided by modern-day atheistic evil. They are way more evil than mere pagans who at least believe in some manner of god or gods. Anti-Scientologists believe in themselves as the center of the universe and the brightest star in their universe is a dark star dully glowing with their evil and malice.

If someone wants me to believe something nonsensical like the anti-Scientologists really are concerned with the plight of individual, hapless Scientologists and wish to help him rather than having as their real goal the total destruction of the Church of Scientology, then they must think I'm as gullible and ignorant as they are. Sorry, but it just isn't going to happen. I, for one, intend to stand up for what's right and good. Until that person shows me some concrete evidence of positive doings by anti-Scientologists rather than the usual, malicious, evil-doing which is thinly veiled in a false altruism, I shall remain unconvinced that they are doing any work other than Satan's work.

Consider me an impartial voice who is no Scientologist myself but rather a Christian who can't help but see that, even though Scientology has some problems, they are so far above the anti-Scientologists that they might as well be living on this Xenu planet of theirs because they are light years ahead of anti-Scientologists in every meaningful ethical and moral way.

Of all the backwards, morally bankrupt, unethical souls of this world, anti-Scientologists, who intend to continue posting their lies and propaganda asserting that hate-filled atheism is a be-all, end-all system that should be forcefully imposed upon us, are among the worst of the lot. They think it's okay if their organized harassment initially causes all our quality of life to degrade because "sometime" "someone" will do "something" "somehow" to counteract the trend in the future once they rid the world of the "scourge" of Scientology.

This bizarre pattern of thinking leads to strange conclusions. For example, it convinces materialistic people (as distinct from the more spiritually inclined of us) that the anti-Scientologists' assertions are good for the environment, human rights, children's rights, civil rights and freedom and liberty. Yes, sir! Materialism over spiritualism every time! In reality, we were put on this planet to be active, to struggle, to learn, to evolve towards good and to reject evil by loving God. We were not put here to resort to ad hominem attacks on Scientologists and their families as a convenient way to engage in our sociopathy.

The anti-Scientologists' propaganda machine early on said that anti-Scientologists would never use mass propaganda as a system of integration and control because that was exactly what they claimed L. Ron Hubbard was doing and they were opposed to that. But, now they are a prime example of PKB. So much for credibility! Anti-Scientologists sure know how to lie. It's too bad they have yet to understand the ramifications of lying.

If anti-Scientologists can give us all a succinct and infallible argument proving that we can change the truth if we don't like it the way it is, I will personally deliver to them a Nobel Prize for hare-brained, disingenuous bombast. In the meanwhile, I think anti-Scientologist hypocrisy has reached a new low. You probably thought that, too, when you read the post where they libeled, supported the libel or did not object to the libel and defamation of a defenseless, 3-year-old daughter of a Scientologist. But, anti-Scientologists don't think that way. Anti-Scientologists think that society is screaming for its insults and sick methods of abuse. This is the warped world of their own making in which they live.

I promise you that I will never vandalize our culture like they attempt to do. I believe in diversity and live and let live. I don't attempt to be a self-appointed dictator who browbeats and controls every religious behavior like anti-Scientologists do. On the other hand, the anti's are so eager to do exactly that. It's already begun giving rise to devious and barbaric ways and means.

The reason I'm distinguishing my actions from its here is that the anti's have declared that they're staging a revolt against everyone who dares to speak up against their strong arm tactics. Anti-Scientologists are revolting all right but, in my opinion, for another very obvious reason: the very sight of them spewing their organized, hypocritical hatred turns my stomach. All kidding aside, the anti-Scientologists imply that the world's salvation will be derived from their own whims, irrationality, lack of a moral compass and delusions and sociopathic behavior.

The above is a comment that should chill the spine of anyone with moral convictions. To make sure you understand exactly how I feel I'll spell it out for you. For starters, I really loath anti-Scientologists. When somebody mentions scum of the earth types these anti's quickly come to mind. Likes or dislikes, however, are irrelevant to your observed reality so you may make the comment, "What does this have to do with ARS?" Well, once you begin to see the light you'll realize that the central paradox of the anti-Scientologists' magic-bullet explanations, the twist that makes the anti-Scientologists' radical approach so irresistible to atheistic hedonists, is that these people truly believe that anti-Scientologists defend the real needs of the people. In doing so they set themselves up as the very deities the decry. These false, hypocrite deities are going about attempting to eliminate any competition.

If some people are offended by my mentioning that the anti-Scientologists have an agenda—a political, social, cultural as well as religious agenda—then so be it. Anti-Scientologists seize every opportunity to overthrow all concepts of love, beauty and sublimity, of the noble and the good, and instead drag people down into the dark sphere of their own base nature. Think about it. Can you remember ever hearing a kind word or friendly gesture from anybody in the hateful, anti-Scientology camp? When I post that I love Babbles Schwartz and wish her well and hope for her happiness you'd think I was some kind of pariah as far as the anti-Scientology crowd's reactions go.

I cannot abide this colossal evil having any supporters at all but there seems to be a couple dozen hardcore evil doers here who keep riding the tailgate of their favorite base bandwagon. Any sane person knows that an anti-Scientologist is a salacious nutter. I use that label only because it's true. If you don't believe it is, then consider that everything anti-Scientologists write is unreadably desultory. Am I being unduly harsh for writing that? I think not. When the religious leaders in Jesus' time were wrong, Jesus denounced them in extremely harsh terms. So why shouldn't I, too, use extremely harsh terms to indicate that anti-Scientologists wouldn't be able to make a Usenet community the victim of their vile hatred while attempting to turn it into a toxic waste dump if sane people banded together and shouted, "ENOUGH ALREADY WITH YOUR LIES AND DECEPTION, BEGONE SATAN!!"

If anti-Scientologists believe that they command an army of mind-numbed robots who live in fear of the Church of Scientology they need to have it made perfectly clear to them that they barely control a squad and the squad is a bunch of freak rabble and sociopaths. Is it just me, or do some other people also think that there is little question that this is neither a post written in anger nor something I am being paid to write? I ask because if you read anti-Scientologists' writings while mentally out of focus, you may get the sense that they provide a liberating insight into life, the universe, and everything else. But, if you read their writings while mentally in focus and weigh each point carefully, it's clear that they don't want this to be a free country, and I aver we ought to keep it free as it was Constitutionally established with freedom of religion among the main tenets.

In closing there are three points I wish to make:

First, anti-Scientologists are standard-bearers for the unbearable.

Second, I would very much like to see anti-Scientologists crawl back under the rock they slithered out from under.

And third, I do not have the time, in one sitting, to go into the long answer as to why anti-Scientologists go ballistic every time I so much as hint that the only way I can possibly forgive them is if they start telling the truth and offer to make restitution for all the ill they cause in this world.

But, the short answer is that these anti's say that everyone would be a lot safer if they were to monitor all of our personal communications and financial transactions—even our library access (like they did to Babbles Schwartz). Why on Earth do they need to control our library access? Many people consider that question irrelevant on the grounds that if anti-Scientologists are victorious in their quest to display unchallenged an irreconcilable hatred toward Scientology and all religions after that, then their crown will be the funeral wreath of human rights. Do give that some thought.

Gregory Hall
4-20-09